Talk:SS Politician

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Ships are things, not people

It's nearly 2023...and we're still using "she" to refer to ships, as if they're women? Cut out the bullshit sexist usage. It's not all NPOV—it's clearly biased towards a certain traditionalist, naval view of things.

Ships are objects. They are, therefore, "it" rather than "she." Spanghew2fs (talk) 04:23, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:SHE4SHIPS. SchroCat (talk) 05:03, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That guidance reads "Ships may be referred to by either feminine pronouns ("she", "her") or neuter pronouns ("it", "its"). Either usage is acceptable, but each article should be internally consistent and exclusively employ only one style. As with all optional styles, articles should not be changed from one style to another without clear and substantial reason."

But this is nearly incoherent. NPOV principles mean that quality articles cite and often quote sources. And this, in turn, means that if an article quotes one source that "shes" the ship and another using neutral pronouns, either there IS an inconsistency in usage, or that inconsistency must be corrected with repetitive and tedious insertion of clarifyingly consistent pronouns in square brackets: every time the quoted source says "it," a square-bracketed "she" must appear to maintain consistency.

But the larger problem is that, blatantly, sheing ships violates NPOV. The very fact that there's extensive argument about this deviation from standard English usage (in which objects use neutral pronouns) demonstrates that the "she" position is a POINT OF VIEW. Spanghew2fs (talk) 21:56, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is not incoherent (it’s quite clearly written), nor NPOV. The sources use both “it” and “she”, with a stronger preference towards “she”, even in the modern sources. “Standard English usage”, as you call it, copies the sources on this: both are acceptable, with a preference to “she”. I don’t doubt that usage of one term or other will drop in and out of fashion, but this article is consistent in its approach and favours the term used by the sources. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 23:21, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Distinguish tag

Since the Schutzstaffel (SS) were a political paramilitary organization, it is reasonable to assume that some people might search for "SS Politician(s)" when attempting to find a page listing members of that organization. I am adding an approproate distinguish tag accordingly. 2601:405:4400:9420:DD92:7FE8:6DB0:153E (talk) 06:12, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. It’s probably a good idea, but I wouldn’t be surprised if someone takes it out and quotes some arcane Wiki-law. SchroCat (talk) 06:32, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ensign

Isn’t the flag the ship sailed under usually included in the infobox? Dronebogus (talk) 14:58, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Type of Whisky

The Politician was not carrying malt whisky, as this type of whisky was not popular at that time. According to Hutchinson the brands shipped included: The Antiquary, Haig Pinch, VVO Gold Bar, Ballantine's Amber Concave, White Horse, King's Ransom, Victoria Vat, Johnnie Walker Red and Black Label, Mountain Dew, King William IV, McCallum's Perfection, King George IV, PD Special, Old Curio and Spey Royal, which are blended whiskies. HC Stempel (talk) 17:49, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]